DNS in Performance

After reading the article I posted in review/retrospect of taking DNS A in November https://charlieweingroff.com/category/articles/, some posed to me the following questions.  The quotes he is referring to are in the article linked above.
And I am figuring out from WordPress what articles are getting the most reads, so I will know if you went to read it again or not.

So, you’re basically saying that even though we can train the qualities strength and speed “which have no ceiling”, what we should be focusing more on (or at least recognize the more signifigant factor of) its “govorner” – the nervous system.
–Yes, that is what I am saying.  Hashing some thoughts through with my good friend and colleague, Vince Chen, I came up with some verbage to explain how I feel about linking tried and true ass kicking training with the DNS approach and philosophies.
Great training is like a great mutual fund.  If you put money in, you know you are going to get 9,10,11% every year.  It’s a guaranteed winner.  Train smart, train hard, you improve performance.  Sometimes the mutual fund returns 17 or 18%.  This is an even better training program with lots of attention to detail, etc.
I originally described neuromuscular training as the closest to guaranteed capital venture you can get into.  It’s like free money when you do it right.  Everything becomes the jump off when you can harness the neurological efficiency of the system, and this can be done with other methodologies than just DNS.
I like Vince’s suggestion better than the nervous system is the currency to the mutual funds.  The more cash you put into the fund, the more you will earn in the end.  Absolutely brilliant analogy in understanding where I’m coming from here.
I have been asked more than 6 times (credit Matt Maher for that line) what I think of great athletes that are beasts and injury-free that can’t do something like segmental rolling or some of the primitive patterns Kolar would espouse.  I must say that at best, these athletes are simply leaving something on the table.  They are leaving wheels on the rack and platform and tenths of a second on the track.  No one is saying that you don’t need a bar in your hands.  I just think there is something very valuable to be able to hit the primitive patterns and breathing, and it can be done quite seemlessly through mobility and stability work or rest periods.  The FMS corrective exercises are all out there already, and they fit the bill.  Sometimes harder to teach?  Maybe.  Or maybe not, if you just let the person’s neurological system fit the pieces together on their own.  I think the magic will happen.

Furthermore i take you to mean that all this basically comes down to “landmarks” we should note during the 1-14 month period of life. If we do not own a landmark then the something needs to be fixed. However what im not so clear on is what the outcomes of this DNS and ISSS system tangibly are. My guess, based on the quotes above, is that all we’re simply after is joint centration through proper core functioning (IAP) and the results should be a properly sequenced neural pattern through our kinetic chain.
–Yes, restoring cementing joint centration is exactly what we are after.  The evidence is more the same than different when you look at the stuff Mulligan does, Hodges, PNF, the Janda/Kolar crowd, Gray Cook, the kettlebell crowd, etc.  When the inner core is optimized, which holds a lot more water in Eastern training methods as you see the list above, lots of other things just fall into place.  Maybe it’s like putting nitrous into an already fast car.


Once we correct the middle of our body we can then “unlock” our highest potential for strength and speed?
–Bingo, Sam.  Bingo.

  • May 27, 2010

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Mike T Nelson Reply

Very interesting!

How do you integrate the neuro side as in DNS to the standard biomechanical approach? I know that is a loaded question, but perhaps food for another blog post.

Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)

craigliebensondc@gmail.com Reply

Janda generally emphasized the sequence of activation of different muscles during a movement pattern. This neural pattern was paramount to him. But, in his later years he took a more McGill/Kibler approach & began emphasizing the biomechanics. For instance, prone hip (hyper)extension was 1st described as requiring this sequence:
ipsi glut max & ham
then contra er spinae
This is what all his students looked for. In a nutshell a faulty pattern had delayed gl max firing.

But, later Pr Janda said “the most important fault is raising the leg with an anterior pelvic tilt.” You can see the introduction of the biomechanical.

Clearly, they go hand in hand & both are important. Patterns are neural, but instructions to athletes/patients are usually biomechanical. What a clinician observes is more often biomechanical also. But, our goal is to instruct the patient to make them more conscious (aware) of their faulty patterns then how to correct them (again consciously), so they can practice an exercise repeatedly until it becomes subconsious (myelinated/insulated).

Grooving patterns is what all the greats like McGill, Boyle, Janda, a top pitching or lifting coach do best. They are all Nazi’s about form, but if they are good they know how to choose their cues & goals efficiently & for maximum results & motivation.


Charlie Reply

Mike – The easiest way to describe the integration is correction. It’s not “exercise” or “manual therapy” per se, but the integration of the neurological efficiency through centration and biomechanics is allowing for indicator movements to occur and be sustained long-term.

Mike T Nelson Reply

Thanks guys. I really appreciate your time on that!

Craig, I love the model of conscious awareness to correct something and then once it is corrected to make it unconscious. We want to be unconsciously competent.

rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)

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